're meeting is obviously a positive sign and we have seen these kind of christ cities avoided before. >> the senate is voting on two bills to deal with the sequester, both are expected to fail. ly this is what the president said last night. >> i think it was winston churchill who once said americans always do the right thing after they have exhausted every other possibility. and we're now getting to the point where we have exhausted any other possibility. >> what's the game plan, being pushed up against the wall that we have exhausted every other possibility? or is it the sequester and how bad it is for people when they're feeling the pain? >> i think it's definitely the second. and it is a long, long slog from sequester, definitely happening, i don't expect really anything significant to come out of this meeting at the white house, i hope i'm wrong. then we'll deal with the funding of the government and we'll limp along and limp along, and limp along, i think until we get to the showdown point, yes, i'm sorry to tell you, another discussion of the debt ceiling sometime this summer.